Guys moving on from the discussion we've been having in 'the secretary denies' thread as i'm about to change the subject ever so slightly, thought I should maybe start a new thread. I'm still running with the idea that we arn't yet seeing the picture fully with this. I am involved with various research projects that i'm looking into along with my husbands line of work.[he is a research physisist]During the last few years we have discovered that the world in which we all live is built around many differant layers of conspiracy---Definition of conspiracy--[were two or more people plot together] and as such over periods of time the real truths of a situation become obscured. Many people along the way become embroiled often unknowingly and so therefore we can find ourselves feeling utterly confused but with an inner knowing that all is not how it outwardly seems. Could we possibly be looking at some sort of smokescreen with this scenario involving Shania and Mutt.I'm thinking they may be Pawns-either voluntary or not in a agenda of some kind that we are being kept in the dark about. Lets remember they are indeed caught in a multi million money making business and what they do and work on effects far more people than just the two of them. As my post in the other thread were just my thoughts then at that time, these are my thoughts fot today and I shall be consemplate over this further.
Way to heavy for me to figure out or to comment on..I do alot of talking but I do know when to shut up...This is one of them...That doesn't mean I disagree with the post..I like blunt to the point stuff...This sounds like something from a 2nd year mid term exam...Bob
o.k Bob.No worries.I guess you are telling me it's just to much to take in so I should just drop it.Will do but i'll continue to muse over this in private.
NO....That is not what I am saying...Don't drop nothing...I am just saying ...I do not understand what it means...Call me stupid..If you want me to get it...Just lay it out there.. Bob
Hey guys,i'd like to take part in this but my service won't let me, dang internet company. just wait a few days,i think i know what Katie wants to say,and i think that in this case something's going on,whether it is personal issues between shania and mutt, or plain stupid sensationalism.
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I have noticed this DANG word alot as of late... I have always fought to not say that famous "eh" that we are always laughed at for up here...But compared to DANG...I actually am starting to feel that "eh" works just fine Country gal..You have always had the ability to see things and read between the lines...For me..Sometimes things just go over my head...This posting did..Having said that at least I am not no proud to say..."I don't understand"...Bob
hey Bob, i like the 'Eh?' he he. and i really have a tiny idea about what Katie might mean,i ain't too proud either to admit that i don't understand some things,is just that if i start posting ,you guys would respond and then i would have to respond too ,and forget it ,i wouldn't get any sleep,once i have my new service i will start talking even more,so imagine what it could happen here.
i don't have a wild imagination,but because i care for shania lots of theories have been crossing through my mind lately,BUT that doesn't mean that i''m any better than you,as my theories could be easily be a bunch of BS.
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Bob please be reassured that alot of stuff goes over my head at times too.I can give you an example of this. I absolutely love reading, always have done and up until recent years I mostly enjoyed reading fantasy and romance novels, but some time ago my husband entered into higher education as a mature student and as he progressed in his chosen field{physics}he naturally wanted to discuss his various findings with me.Of course I had not got a clue what on earth he was talking about and although he knew my limitations and he patiently tried to simplify things for me I was finding it all really boring.But unbeknown to me at the time the things he had explained to me must have stayed in my subconscious mind.Then one day whilst I was in my local library browsing for a good book to read I picked up a book that caught my eye.It was a factual book{CANNOT REMEMBER THE TITLE NOW}and so off home I went,sat down and started to read it.I was just a few chapters in when I began to feel absolutely shattered so I had a sleep.Later on I picked up the book again and read another few chapters.I was fascinated with the subject matter{won't bore you with it here}but again I became very tired.This became the normal pattern whilst I was attempting to understand this clearly complex informative book.My husband noticed I was starting to sleep more than usual and when he asked if I was feeling o.k I replied 'yes but it seems to be this book it keeps knocking me out'.When he picked up the said book he roared with laughter and he said,'I'm not surprised, you are learning quantum physics!!! To conclude this long winded explanation, I throughly enjoyed reading the book, did indeed read it from cover to cover and to this day never understood a single word of it!!!
Hi Country Gal. I think I may not have explained myself very well in my first post.I was basically trying to say that it could all be a cover story--cover up---inside job type of thing to try and distract us from something else.What that something else could be I am actually unsure of myself but it is likely complex and involving any amount of other people also, for example possibly record company execs, management, business associates etc.Then again I too could just be spewing utter crap.I might be spending way to much time dwelling on all of this but can't put it out of my mind.It definitely is effecting me even if no one else is bothered over it.Something isn't adding up and if you could help to shed some light with some of your ideas I will look forward to reading your posts
I hope that wasn't a "Saturday" night....Lord just shoot me...I have a REALLY good book I might suggest..It's called...OLD YELLER...That one was easy to follow... Not sure if you read my recent post under The No Shania Talk room...Wasted time song posting. It even applied there...They lost old yeller..Their doggie died...But..IT REALLY WASN"T WASTED TIME.... I love that no talk room...Maybe see you there...Bob
Now you are freaking me out...We are ALL going insane.. Personally I don't know how any of us still even talk sometimes..Somewhat depressed, bumbed out people, with all of lifes other stuff to boot..Still we come on here,debate under horrible conditions and still stay friends...Pretty cool really..Bob
Hi Katie, i got your point from the start,that's what i meant too,Record Company plot.
but i highly doubt it personally,just because i don't think shania would do something like that willingly,i don't doubt the split,that is a fact, but i doubt the Mutt affair,but then again would shania let Mutt's name to be drugged into mud?? and they have a son together,or is it something wrong that Shania have done,and they trying to cover it,because people wouldn't appreciate her any more?? but would Mutt and that 'other woman' agree to all this?? or they haven't got any music doned yet,so they're trying to find an excuse for all the delay,which it would be one of the cheapest tricks ever.
i may be a fool but i believe in Shania, and she wouldn't do that,besides getting divorced is sad enough,she wouldn't need rumors about how she have been cheated on to make the world feel sad about her situation.
but she is a celebrity not a politician, so the truth will come out sooner or later,courtesy of the reporters and paparazzi. i really don't believe is something weird behind all this,but Mutt talking to the press after decades it seems weird to me,and shania should speak out if the affair rumor is not true.
you know what i honeslty believe might have happened?? Mutt haven't cheated but he gets bored easily,they had problems going on for a while so Mutt decided to let Shania go,and she took their separation harder than him. that's all,but time will tell.
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Hey country gal I like some of your suggestions,you sound like you've given it a lot of thought too so I'm glad it's not just me,I no longer feel like such a fool.I'm sure all our crazy thoughts are coming to us because like you said we do care about Shania.It's so confusing. The first report was that they had split,according to Mutt it was just a growing apart and'unfortunate'.This then turned to Mutt having a affair--ongoing ,which he questionably denies.The other woman also questionably denies any involvement, and no word from her husband at all.No word from Shania confirming or denying anything.The various differant mags and media outlets reporting conflicting info--He left her--she left him.Then we had quotes from 'sources' that Shania wants sole custody then it changed to 'they will sort it amicably.Shania has gone to Canada Mutt was in Russia!!! I too don't really doubt the split has occurred unfortunately but everything else is still wide open. Were I will have to differ with you though is your faith that it will be revealed via the press. I do not trust the press at all. I'll admit i'm still clinging on to the hope that they'll eventually wake up.
I think there is something fishy with this split, too.
Mutt hasn't talked to the media in over 30 years (or more!) and he suddenly starts talking!?!?
Maybe it is a cover-up for what's really going on.
We have no idea how Shania is feeling. Recent pictures of her don't imply that she is devastated.
Anyway, I'll add a couple of theories.
Theory #1 - Mutt told Shania that this chick had hit on him. Shania and Mutt knew about the People magazine article coming out. They discussed it with her PR people and they they did a pre-emptive strike with the "split" announcement. Shania took the pup to Canada. Mutt's going to soccer games in Europe. They'll reunite in a few months.
Theory #2 - Something's medically wrong with Mutt. He created the whole "affair" deal to force Shania away from him. He knows how devastated she was with her parents' death and he doesn't want to put her through something like that again.
Theory # 3 - Mutt is in the middle of a mid-life crisis (hitting the big 60)!
yes Katie, btw you can call me Christina maybe you are right the press might not be able to reveal anything,but can you imagine if a reporter finally finds out some kind of evidence that all this is a plot??i think he would probably exposed the whole thing.
now about Mutt being in Russia,that was from National Enquirer so i don't buy it,shania is indeed in Canada because we've seen pictures,BUT where is Eja?? and how come she took Eja in Canada while he had to be in school instead?? as for the 'other woman's' husband,YES that is a big mistery to me,how come they haven't track him down yet,or how come he haven't speak out since he is hurting too??
there is another crazy thought,maybe Mutt is a cheater and has always been,but shania haven't sensed anything, or when she did in the past he apoligized and she gave in, but now she had decided enough is enough. this 'other woman' was manager of the 'chateau' but it have been sold 2 years ago,so how Marie is in the picture again now?? Mutt has 2 divorces in his past,i never understood why he left his 2nd wife,just because she wanted kids,and if she was the one who wanted out then why she was devastated??that reminds me of shania's case,Mutt just left her and she is devastated.
another thought is that shania has to work with another producer, so in order to make the public like that change they throw mud on Mutt. but would shania ever do that?? unless she has some mental disorder and industry people finally got her to do what they want,BUT where her siblings to save her from all this??
i dont' buy the whole story yet because the most part of it comes from "sources" like you said. who is behind these sources,at least they could tell us, it is a friend?? a family member?? who??
another thing that worries me is that the initial statement about ther saparation came through shania's rep of her record company,it wasn't from her management,and her management has some connection to Mutt. so why she has already put distance between her and Mutt,at least in a professional level. and i 'm going to say it again..HOW COME Mutt talks to the press after all these years?? could it be to save shania from that burden?? this whole story is a mystery to me,i can't understand what's going on,i just have faith in time. maybe tomorrow we find out through the press something new,or we come up with a new idea in our minds.
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HEY GUYS. kay I'm loving your theories.Numbers 3 and 4 do it for me,brilliant.I can probably come up with some of my own when I put my mind on it, just right now i'm too tired.I know this is serious and sensitive stuff but when life starts getting you down it does us good to lift our spirits with a laugh.As long as we don't over step the line and cause offence.We can be lighthearted about it too.
of course Katie, it's good to have a laugh once in a while,if you read all of our old posts you'd see that we made some jokes about it ,just for fun. like the one theory of mine where Mutt just wanted to be left alone because in a few days there's the European soccer championship in Switzerland and Austria,so when it's over he will beg shania to forgive him.
and we make jokes about who shania should marry now,like a Canadian lumberjack or Billy Currington.
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okay everyone please bare with me whilst I get all this out. First of I'll add to the list of all the people who are potentially effected: record company,management,business associates,colleagues peers-other famous artists,rivals,critics,reporters,family,friends,fans.It's now not looking that private. Where is the alleged affair supposed to have taken place.Where was Shania while it was going on,where was the husband,where was the children,friends, family, other members of staff.When exactly was Shania tipped off,who told her,why tell her at that particular time,was she told as soon as the person found out.How long has the affair been going on,did they conduct it whilst on vacation together?Where their respective children playing together.Mutt has supposedly cheated on his wife,child and friend,Marrie-Anne has supposedly cheated on her husband,child and friend.They are employer and employee.Is it still ongoing,do they care for other peoples feelings. Where Mutt and Shania ever really happy together,did they really have a conventional marriage,have they had some kind of arrangement.Is Mutt the guilty one. What is going on?So many questions! Who is Marie-Anne-i've seen two pictures of two different looking women,which one is her.How come if she is 37-both women looked older to me-she is retired.Why is it that apart from Mutt and the 'other woman' no-one else has tried to dispell their alledged affair. am I naturally curious or just plain nosey SCEPTICAL or CYNICAL--what is the difference
Another anomaly Apparently Shania now wants to scrap all new work recently done with Mutt whilst Mutt is quoated as saying,'We'll always be close friends'. If Mutt has a great big ego that constantly needs to be stroked as has been mentioned in another thread would he not be more likely to want to be seen out in public more, by Shania's side at the award shows etc. letting the world know that he IS the organ grinder{Shania the monkey} or is he using reverse psycology on us. unless you are a big loyal dedicated and addicted Shania fan we probably wouldn't know who Mutt Lange was.So by letting the rumors circulate that he is the talent, the power force behind the scenes we will all be so curious about him we will make that effort to check out his other work,track down the rare pics of him etc.There by feeding his ego without him having to put up with the PAPS and all that stuff.
Everything I know about Shania and how she felt about her husband really points me into one direction; and that is there is no doubt in my mind for a minute that Mutt did indeed have an affair with this women and that she can afford to retire at 37 because Mutt is supporting her. As for when this was going on....in my mind I don't think Mutt coped well when Shania was on tour and that is when this relationship Marie-ann and Mutt took off. Shania has always said that there is only one reason she would leave a marriage and that is "cheating" I think Shania took long breaks between cds originally because of Mutt and then to have a child. Later she took a long break I believe because of Mutt. It is not hard for me to imagine the 2 of them (Marie-Ann and Mutt) getting close. Shania took trips alone to promote perfume, and other gigs they had a lot of time to get close. As for the leak to the press. I don't think Shania's friend would've come forward if it were not for Mutt releasing the statement that he did. I am sure he wanted a no fault divorce. Shania really wanted her side of the story to come out. I can understand that. She must be hurting. As for that photograph of her smiling....well it is the best thing to do when you are hurting. It was also evident she is losing weight. No, I can't picture shania leaving Mutt for any other reason than cheating. Sorry this is just my take on it . Having said that I also believe Shania and Mutt will do right by their son Eja. They will settle this. As for remaining friends...well I don't think so but for the sake of Eja, they will be civil to eachother. Again this is jmo.
Hi Lulu.Thanks for responding. There is no need to apologize for having your own view,we are all individual and if we all felt the same way or thought the same thoughts we would become robotic in nature!.Due to research and personal experience I can no longer just take an official explanation of an event or situation at face value.I try whenever I see blatant inconsistences to conduct my own assessment.If I cannot come up with conclusive evidence I try to remain open minded. also Shania isn't a politician no, but as with government the sporting world and every other field the music industry is also controlled politically.Politics is what operates our world..
another theory: could it be that shania wanted to do other songwriter's songs and Mutt didn't?? shania in her interview for Larry King Live,said that she would do other people's music but Mutt wouldn't want to produce songs that weren't written by him,so how shania could do that?? and i do believe that Mutt's biggest love is music,so i can see him leaving shania for reasons like that,and if shania wasn't a singer/songwriter herself their marriage may have never have happened,maybe Mutt married shania having in mind that he would never get bored of her because they would always have their music. so when Mutt released that "growing apart' statement he might meant it this way,i mean come on,he left his 2nd wife for practically no reason,she wanted kids and he didn't,so what?? he was really so immature that he couldn't handle to be a father?? and he lost his wife over this?? and how come if she was loving him so much she didn't waited a little longer in case he changes him mind,which he did with shania and they had Eja.
i really think that Mutt gets bored of his wives easily.
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Another good post Christina. Not too far out from the realm of possibility me thinks. Christina do you think Eja could be part of their problems.It is possible I suppose that they may not actually had planned him.It has been known to happen.And maybe Mutt still is not quite grown up enough to handle fatherhood the way Shania would like.They do seem to have spent a fair amount of time separated through travel i.e work commitments.I read somewhere the other day that Shania had been in NZ on her own a lot during the construction of their house.So who has care of Eja when they are apart in this manner.If these reports are to be believed it sounds as if Mutt is distant from his Son sometimes so he'll be missing out on such a lot.
Apparently Eja goes with mom usuallly. Although being in school now might make that harder. They (Mutt and Shania) were apart alot thru touring, construction of the house in NZ. There has been a lot of time and opportunity for Mutt and Marie-Ann to fool around so to speak. I really find interesting all these theories. In the end though I think it may come down to the fact that Mutt eventually tires of being married. Sad but true. Shan fan foreva thank you for your post. Country gal I think that is a big possiblilty, maybe Mutt is not mature enough to handle being married.
yes i agree about fatherhood, you know some men get jealous after their kids arrive,it sounds stupid but it is true. shania is a loving and caring person so i'm guessing Eja's getting too much affection,and that may have irked Mutt,maybe he didn't wanted a wife but a puppet to be his co-writer and to sing those songs. if that's true then i'm really sorry about Mutt,he's got issues that tries to hide behind his music,he works all the time in order to avoid to fulfill emotional needs that people around him have. as for Eja's birth i believe it was planned,but i guess Mutt couldn't or didn't wanted to see what being a parent means. but he should have said that to shania, or he could have visit a therapist,is not something to be ashamed of,on the contrary i find it very brave. and even the half of what we are reading are true,then Mutt is not a gentleman at all.
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In Robin Eggar's book, Shania said that she broached the topic of having a baby with Mutt. They thought about it for about a month and decided to try.
Also, she has said in interviews that Mutt and Eja have a special bond. Mutt changed diapers, bathed him, etc... I think that Mutt is really close to Eja.
Another thing to keep in mind is that during the first half of their marriage, they were always apart due to her touring. In Mutt's other marriages, they were apart because he was in the studio all the time. When Shania stopped touring and had the baby, that's two major changes - she's with him all the time and a baby is in the mix. Yes, both of these changes can bring great joy to a marriage, but they can bring a lot of stress.
If the being together was an issue, maybe he'll be able to adapt before it's too late. It ain't over, 'til it's over. By Shania taking the pup to Canada, Mutt is all by himself. She's showing him what he's missing, maybe he'll realize that and change his ways (if this is the problem). If Mutt does want her back and is willing to change, I think he'll have to do ALOT of courting and wooing!
