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i can't forget her interview on 'Reader's Digest'when she said that she was 'melting' for Mutt and she was feeling like they were still in the start,i was so happy back then and so sure that they would last forever,what a crazy world.

Country gal wrote:

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i can't forget her interview on 'Reader's Digest'when she said that she was 'melting' for Mutt and she was feeling like they were still in the start,i was so happy back then and so sure that they would last forever,what a crazy world.

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So true, or how she was on Cityline and they show the clip of "When You Kiss Me" and the reaction she gives.  Or when they show a photo of her and Mutt on Frank Skinner's show and he jokes saying I can sense the hairs sticking up, she was gaga for this guy.  Even the straitjacket comment she gave if something ever happened to Mutt or Eja.  Still almost hard to believe...

 

Well nothing is forever but it is nice to see people who stayed married for life. Recently my dad's cousin's husband died of bone cancer and she had also passed away two years ago and I think back how great they were together over the years, a sweet couple, just good fine people too. They were such a perfect match and were so good together. Married 60 years til death did them part, but I believe they are once again reunited and all is well.

or I think of my grandparents and other older generations of my family, such fond memories and examples. I really wished Shania had that, I believe she's very decent, and it makes it so sad.

That's hard. Odd isn't it how good decent people seem to have to deal with these sort of situations? I feel for ya brother. You will always have those fond memories and one day you'll meet again. Take care Joe.

A few screencaps from the video:

Nah, I am pretty confident my opinions are right on the mark.
-- Confidence can be a good thing. Although one can be confident and wrong at the same time.
but even if Shania did one third the work of Dolly, that would be good.
-- That's why I asked you if you know how to play any instrument, which you ignored completely so one would assume you don't. So just to break it down to it's simplest for Kevy, writing a song is one thing, writing, producing, engineering a song is quite another.
LIke I said before, some people can handle the fame and some cannot.
Agreed, but some cherish the spotlight, others do not.
Shania ran away from it and became more withdrawn and paranoid.
I believe Shania likes her privacy, which I can't say I blame her. However, she was/is raising child, and at this point in her career she can pick and choose what events and where she goes.   
Shania even said herself she is fragile and a very weak person. But she became more weak after her fame made her withdraw so much.
-- This is exactly what she said: "Who are you now versus five years ago?
I am stronger. I'm more mature, but I'm more carefree. I feel like I'm in a transitional period. I'm really trying to get comfortable in my own skin, because it's not easy to do when you're in the spotlight all the time. I don't want someone photographing my celluliteI can't take it! See, this is where the push and pull comes in. It's a very strange paradox: I don't really want to share all my dirt with people, yet I want to be real. I want to be successful, but I don't really have what it takes to do it comfortably.
I guess some fans  just expected too much from Shania.
-- I know of at least one, Kevy.
She is not the type of person who can handle and balance a successful career and a life at the same time.
-- Look, we all would like new music... but let's not be petty.
That is too bad though because she has wasted so much of her talent and time and many projects she talked about will never come to pass like a duet with stevie wonder or christmas album or duet album or acoustic album.
-- Never say never. One thing I will concede though is that the years that passed she can never get back. However I also don't believe she would do them over again if given the opportunity. (imo)
At her rate, she would be 80 yearsold by the time these albums come out.
Now is that really nice Kevy?

Landshark, I know as a fan it is hard for you to say anything negative about Shania and you believe she actually cares about the fans. It is quite natural for most of her die hard fans to defend everything she does and says. I defended her for years.
But I guess I just came to realize that Shania Twain is not the person or artist I thought she was. I can accept that.
But I believe she also has been giving the fans the run around for much too long. She has never been upfront with the fans about her music plans.
I also believe Shania has lost what credibility she had left with her peers and the industry and that makes me upset.
Shania brought this all on herself because she couldn't even bother to show more respect for the industry or the fans who made her filthy rich.
There will always be the few select people who defend everything about her and everything she says and does. But the general public now see her differently and an artist who just was in it for the money.

Tommy wrote:

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Here's another excerpt from the article:

In the early 80s, Rhonda followed a dream to California where late night TV was a natural as were regular gigs at the Bonaventure Hotel and the Century Plaza. In 1985, she was lured back to Canada to headline a revue at the Deerhurst Inn and Resort and establish a presence in their piano bar. Before long, she and Mike Degazio, backed by the management of Deerhurst, signed a contract with A&M Records as Silver & Degazio and enjoyed success in Canadian country radio. During this time, she helped an aspiring singer named Eileen Twain secure work in the show where they sang side by side for two years.

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Thanks for sharing Tommy.

 

ZippyDoo wrote:

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landsharkk wrote:

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As I mentioned earlier, I don't think that Shania walks on water, and I don't think she's Howard Hughes either. What I am trying to communicate to you
is that I do indeed have the ability to be objective.
It is just that I don't find it necessary to continually expound in negativism.
Basically, had she put out music in your time guidline you'd be happy right? 
Sorry Kev, the world doesn't always behave as you'd like it. Darn the luck!  
I wouldn't worry about her credibility with Nashville or other celebs... 
This is still Shania -TRIPLE DIAMOND- Twain!
So what is there to be so "upset" about?
You shouldn't worry about what is beyond your control.
We are fully cognizant of your opinions, but try to look at the glass as half-full.
You'll be much happier!   



-- Edited by landsharkk at 16:32, 2008-07-29

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With all due respect I do not believe you are looking at it objectively.
But if you choose to just look at only the postive,which there is plenty of too, then that is okay.
I tend to look at both sides and I can see now how what people were saying  before about her is a little true.
And selling alot of cd's does not give her credibility with anyone.It just means she sold tons of cd's in a short span,made hundreds of millions of dollars and then took off and hid.
I am sure  our Shania could of at least once in the last 10 years made an effort to go to fan fair, don't you?
Sorry but I know there is lots of postive things about Shania too and thats what first drew me to her. but I also see how in the last 7 years she has totally gone weird in so many ways and lives in a bubble.

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        Zippy,I bet that your maybe partially right!
        She did in a bubble, Mutts' bubble,but I bet her new life will change all
        that! I guarantee!!!!!

chaosinc wrote:

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ZippyDoo wrote:

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landsharkk wrote:

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As I mentioned earlier, I don't think that Shania walks on water, and I don't think she's Howard Hughes either. What I am trying to communicate to you
is that I do indeed have the ability to be objective.
It is just that I don't find it necessary to continually expound in negativism.
Basically, had she put out music in your time guidline you'd be happy right? 
Sorry Kev, the world doesn't always behave as you'd like it. Darn the luck!  
I wouldn't worry about her credibility with Nashville or other celebs... 
This is still Shania -TRIPLE DIAMOND- Twain!
So what is there to be so "upset" about?
You shouldn't worry about what is beyond your control.
We are fully cognizant of your opinions, but try to look at the glass as half-full.
You'll be much happier!   



-- Edited by landsharkk at 16:32, 2008-07-29

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With all due respect I do not believe you are looking at it objectively.
But if you choose to just look at only the postive,which there is plenty of too, then that is okay.
I tend to look at both sides and I can see now how what people were saying  before about her is a little true.
And selling alot of cd's does not give her credibility with anyone.It just means she sold tons of cd's in a short span,made hundreds of millions of dollars and then took off and hid.
I am sure  our Shania could of at least once in the last 10 years made an effort to go to fan fair, don't you?
Sorry but I know there is lots of postive things about Shania too and thats what first drew me to her. but I also see how in the last 7 years she has totally gone weird in so many ways and lives in a bubble.

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        Zippy,I bet that your maybe partially right!
        She did in a bubble, Mutts' bubble,but I bet her new life will change all
        that! I guarantee!!!!!

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I guess we will have to wait and see. Either she changes and becomes more normal or she goes the other way and becomes even more of  a recluse.

2ndAmendment wrote:

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I think your last response to landsharkk was fair Zip, you know that from our past opinions on the subject and her change after moving to Switzerland, but I tend to agree with Chaos. And like I always say, time will tell.

I hope the next chapter will be a reverse to the days of old, if not completely at least partial reverse. There was no one better when she was in that mode and form.

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You are right there was nobody in music even close to her appeal between 1995-2000, she had it all and she still does but we havn't seen the old Shania in 8 years.

I dunno, I rather enjoyed the UP tour! (you didn't?)
What was that... 2003?

What's funny is that you say that I'm the overly devout fan? Hmm... 
Whereas I'm comfortable letting Shania enjoy her life as she see fit without any demands or timetables, you are the one clamouring about how she needs to run her life and her career. You're more obsessed then I am by far! 

And then you come up with gems like this;
"And selling a lot of cd's does not give her credibility with anyone"
Try telling that to the execs in Nashville. 



 

-- Edited by landsharkk at 23:59, 2008-07-29

landsharkk wrote:

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I dunno, I rather enjoyed the UP tour! (you didn't?)
What was that... 2003?

What's funny is that you say that I'm the overly devout fan? Hmm... 
Whereas I'm comfortable letting Shania enjoy her life as she see fit without any demands or timetables, you are the one clamouring about how she needs to run her life and her career. You're more obsessed then I am by far! 

And then you come up with gems like this;
"And selling a lot of cd's does not give her credibility with anyone"
Try telling that to the execs in Nashville. 



 

-- Edited by landsharkk at 23:59, 2008-07-29

Nobody has given her any demands so stop twisting words and putting words in peoples mouth.
Just by how you defend her shows that you think she can do no wrong.Maybe read over my posts better and stop twisting things around.
And credibility is not selling a bunch of cd's. The industry does not take her serious as an artist.
I think you are too quick to defend everything she does and you only see one side. That is not what I call objective.
In my opinion that is much more obsessive that what others claim I am.

landsharkk wrote:

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*LOL*  I don't have to twist words, yours speak volumes.
You're continually saying how she could have done this,
or should have done that, comparing her to Dolly etc.
And now you speak on behalf of the industry?
"The industry does not take her serious as an artist."
Well maybe not the industry there in Alberta, but we're talking Nashville here.
As I've said earlier, I would like to have more music from Shania.
It's just that you don't hear me shouting it from the rooftops everyday.
Again, I'm happy to let bygones be bygones... 
To let the artists do as they choose.


-- Edited by landsharkk at 12:29, 2008-07-30

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But  you seem to think nobody should ever say one thing negative about her. You think every fan should just follow her like a puppy and believe everything she says and does.
I don't shout from the rooftops everyday lol!!! But I do give my opinion objectively because I see both sides and I am a huge Shania fan who does not follow the Shania clique group and praise her like she is a goddess not stop.
So that is okay if you continue to only see on side, I will continue to give my opinion objectively.
Since we totally disagree on this subject lets move on.

landsharkk wrote:

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But you seem to think nobody should ever say one thing negative about her.
-- I never said that.  It's just that I don't usually amplify the negative.
You think every fan should follow her like a puppy and believe everything she says and does.
-- This is what I said: "You shouldn't worry about what is beyond your control."  Therefore, what other fans do is none of my concern.
I don't shout from the rooftops everyday! But I do give my opinion objectively.
-- I can objectively say that you don't. You portray what you believe - and what you would like us to believe, as fact.
Because I see both sides and I am a huge Shania fan who does not follow the Shania clique group and praise her like she is a goddess not stop.
-- So what do you want, a cookie?
So that is okay if you continue to only see on side, I will continue to give my opinion.
--  As I've said,  I'm alright with having an artist do as they wish.
Since we totally disagree on this subject lets move on.
-- Yes, you proved yourself completely futile for debate. You only want to see Shania as she fits your agenda, and not for how she actually is...
A person first!  (WOW) Then a mother, and then an artist.

-- Edited by landsharkk at 01:47, 2008-07-31

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Thanks for the laugh. I love how you  keep responding trying to get the last word and then at the end trying to put me down and discrediting my opinion.

You are the one who is futile for debate. YOu have no idea how Shania actually is and your agenda is one of defending her against any type of honest negative talk.
I think you do worship Shania and you even travelled long distances to see her perform as you posted before. So you can`t really have an objective conversation with you since you are not objective.
And newflash- I think about my family first, they are my first priority.
Shania is doing a heck of a lot better than you or I right now so stop treating her like a victim.
And another reason it is no use even debating you is because you twist my words to fit your agenda.
I told you that we disagree so move on, you didn`t have to get your last word in and put me down in your last sentence.
YOu need to take your rose colored glasses off and realize that you have no right to contol my opinion of Shania.
If you don`t like my opinion then don`t keep responding and twisting my words.
And Shania is the one who pursued her fame, she is the one who aimed for the spotlight. She knew what she was getting into. So fans commeting on her actions is fair game, negatively or positively.
And if you don`t like it then please don`t read it or don`t participate in the thread.
So lets drop this now and move on if you are capable of not getting the last word.

You do realize that everyone of your responses is just so you can get the last word.
I guess I won this debate too because you are not capable of having a logical debate.
You even have to call names like doggie to make yourself feel better lol!!!
Yeah I have a good idea what you are capable of and it is nothing to write home mommy about.
Also I suggest next time you try and respond for you to get your facts correct and not twist others words around.
Now time for you to run along and try and get the last word in on other threads.


Also another thing nobody is trying to control any thread except you. If you dont' like my opinion why do you keep coming back and provoking a fight?
You think Shania is going to give you an award for defending her lol!!!
You need to lighten up, we are all Shania fans, but some of us don't see her like a Goddess like apparently you do and have proven with your comments.

lulu wrote:

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give it a rest kevy i for one think you are the least objective here. you keep ststing your opinion over and over and your not convincing anyone here and for the record shania was hurt badly here as was her son and no shania and mutt were not separated for a year pror to there announcement. oh i know you will want the last word here too as your quite compulsive in that regard but i will let you know i won' respond to it. i think i will say hello to all my fello shania fans i've had my surgury and typing with my left hand when your right handed is a challenge have a good day everyone

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Hey Lulu,
that's great news about your hand,the worse is over now
Have A Quick recovery my friend.

 

lulu wrote:

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give it a rest kevy i for one think you are the least objective here. you keep ststing your opinion over and over and your not convincing anyone here and for the record shania was hurt badly here as was her son and no shania and mutt were not separated for a year pror to there announcement. oh i know you will want the last word here too as your quite compulsive in that regard but i will let you know i won' respond to it. i think i will say hello to all my fello shania fans i've had my surgury and typing with my left hand when your right handed is a challenge have a good day everyone

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Sure  Lulu, whatever makes you feel better.
I guess you can believe what you want, we are all entitled to that.
I have a good feeling that my opinions will end up being the truth in the end.
Lots more news will come out that will surprise  you and not portray Shania as the angel you think she is.
Anyways, have a good day, and I hope your hand gets better.

Get well lulu, I too am glad the worst is behind you, and thank you for stating what most of us are feeling about this merry-go-round. He has his thoughts we have ours.

Trying to explain oneself 100 times is pointless.

kelc317 wrote:

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ZippyDoo wrote:

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You do realize that everyone of your responses is just so you can get the last word.
I guess I won this debate too because you are not capable of having a logical debate.
You even have to call names like doggie to make yourself feel better lol!!!
Yeah I have a good idea what you are capable of and it is nothing to write home mommy about.
Also I suggest next time you try and respond for you to get your facts correct and not twist others words around.
Now time for you to run along and try and get the last word in on other threads.


Also another thing nobody is trying to control any thread except you. If you dont' like my opinion why do you keep coming back and provoking a fight?
You think Shania is going to give you an award for defending her lol!!!
You need to lighten up, we are all Shania fans, but some of us don't see her like a Goddess like apparently you do and have proven with your comments.

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zip you should take some of your own advice,you provoke fights, you make statements as if you know everything,you make statements and when you get called on them you say we are putting words in your mouth

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I don't provoke anything, I give my opinion and those who don't like it try and call me a non fan. And I can't be called out on anything if I am mostly right lol!!!
Also, if you actually read my posts then you would know people are twisting my words to fit their agenda.
Like landshark made a statement before about how Shania is not one to put out an album every year lol!!!! Who even mentioned about her  putting out an album every year or 2 or 3 years lol!!! But once in 6 years would be good if you have any music passion at all.
Lets do a little calculation now, Shania is 43 years old she will be in her mid forties and she will only be on her 5th album and only 2  tours in over 15 years of recording.
So lets all relax now and just listen to what Zippy has to say.

kelc317 wrote:

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zip landshark he's giving his opinion and you call it provoking a fight,and as far as butting words in your mouth, you just can't get it threw your head that Shania has a son and thats her passion at the moment,you call her lazy and your sick of using her son as a excuse to not work,you sound foolish but your ego is so big you just can't see it ,again zip if you ever have kids you will understand

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I understand more than you do about having kids and the resposiblity of work and kids. My mom looked after 3 kids and worked 2 jobs and didn't complain and she provided good for us.
So please don't lecture me about family or kids.
Every mom's kid is their passion so stop making Shania out to be a better mom than those who get out there and balance career and kids.
Heck,it would of made it alot easier on my mom if she only had one kid.
My ego is just fine, I just don't fall for this victim stuff and I  also can see both sides.
So don't lecture me about family,kids or responsibility or work.
I have seen it first hand.

kelc317 wrote:

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stop butting words in my mouth, where do i say she's a better mom?what you just don't get is its her choice to work or not work,just because your mom did it doesn't mean squat,

-- Edited by kelc317 at 21:47, 2008-07-31

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Yep you are right, some are weak and some are strong. Some have motivation and some have no motivation.
I am sure Nicole Kidmans,Kelly Preston,Cindy Crawford, and the countless of other celebs with more than one kid have a great passion for their kids too but they also have motivation to have a career and a well balanced life.

ZippyDoo wrote:

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kelc317 wrote:

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stop butting words in my mouth, where do i say she's a better mom?what you just don't get is its her choice to work or not work,just because your mom did it doesn't mean squat,

-- Edited by kelc317 at 21:47, 2008-07-31

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Yep you are right, some are weak and some are strong. Some have motivation and some have no motivation.
I am sure Nicole Kidmans,Kelly Preston,Cindy Crawford, and the countless of other celebs with more than one kid have a great passion for their kids too but they also have motivation to have a career and a well balanced life.

 

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zip do you know how many woman quit there jobs after having a child?do you know how many more would if they could afford to,so there all unmotived and lazy?you just don't know how silly you sound

 

Well stated kelc317 and lulu.