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2ndAmendment · Guru

RE: Shania fans

2ndAmendment · Guru

How can Mutt the vegetarian who doesn't drink have a pot belly? I also thought he was a workout freak, weights and ran five miles a day before Shania came along.

Country gal · Guru

I don't see any pot belly here,
and he's not skinny either,he is more than OK.

Tanya · Guru

EveryBodyLovesKevy wrote:

Country gal wrote:

lulu wrote:

Good for Shania that she had a strong desire to succeed on her terms. Mutt who was in a relationship at the time, started to strongly pursue shania. She was only 28 years old and it must have felt wonderful for her to be swept off her feet by Mutt. She probably could not believe that she too can be taken care of. She was so used to be being the primary care giver in her family it must have felt wonderful that she too could be taken care of. Mutt's love and his wealth represented security for her combine that with his belief in her talent and the rest is history. She has talked often of her love for this man. Most recently in that Redbook article published shortly before the announcement of the separation. No this was a love match at least on her part.

I agree,
it was TRUE LOVE,period.
she decided to have a chld with this man,you don't do that if there isn't any love,unless if you want to take his money,shania has millions so...

It wasn't true love at all and Shania even said she wasn't into him romantically at first. She was only interested in how he could help her career.
This whole relationship was very odd from the start and everyone knows that it was a strange relationship.

Well, I can tell you any woman can say that kind of thing. Love at first sight can happen with some people but not with everyone. Anastacia said the same thing about her husband. He worked as her bodyguard and at first she didnt even find him attractive. But when people spend much time together, have a chance to get to know each other better then they may start liking each other and then even falling in love. And if Shania wanted only to be successful she could just be his girlfriend and have an opportunity to leave when she wanted. But when she got married she tied herself to him (and then even harder when Eja was born because now if she wants it or not she will have to see him and communicate with him at least until Eja becomes independent). If he was old, ugly but at the same time not too old to die just immediately and leave whole his wealth to her there was no reason for her at all to get married. If you read a book by Robin Eggar there you could find out that she had some relationships with musicians and even a conductor She usually dated someone who did the same and was from her world (I mean music). She could not know that she was going to meet and get married to such a successful producer as Mutt. It wasnt a plan. It just happened and all. And they had been together for 14 years and had written so many beautiful songs (and I dont think Shania could write such things as From This Moment On, Youre Still The One, Forever And For Always, When You Kiss Me etc. without feeling it!) so why should we now be making up things and tell tales about them?

EveryBodyLovesKevy · Guru

You don't know a thing about their married life.
For all we know they could of slept in seperate beds for most of the time.
Shania only wants you to know how she wants to be perceived in public.
You don't know what went on behind closed doors.

Tanya · Guru

EveryBodyLovesKevy wrote:

You don't know a thing about their married life.
For all we know they could of slept in seperate beds for most of the time.
Shania only wants you to know how she wants to be perceived in public.
You don't know what went on behind closed doors.

Do you know?

EveryBodyLovesKevy · Guru

No, I am speculating like everyone else.

Rinad_Eileen · Veteran Member

What the heck?......... I don't know what you guys are doing here! you can think whatever you want but stop offending her like that,you bought her cds because you loved her music not because you loved her as a person, if she doesn't give charities which I believe she does more than any artist that's her choice!, we made her rich because she wrote our feelings and made us feel better and have fun, it's very hard for her to be in touch with all her fans because she wouldn't have time to breathe then,and concerning the little boy thing I guess we'll soon hear that she visited him, concerning Mutt making her a star it'll be confirmed when her album comes out and if it's never released THEN we'll know that she's know different from other singers!!!!

lulu · Guru

I can't imagine being as famous as Shania and having a paranoid recluse like Mutt as a husband. It speaks volumes of who he is (buying all photo rights to himself is going too far). I think we had a great ride with her music. Whether she comes back or not is her choice. No one can take away the fact that she promoted her music so well that she became a superstar. That was all her doing not Mutts. So he produced the songs so what she did all the work in getting it out there and she won all her fans on her own one fan at a time. There would have been a cd had mutt and she agreed on the music. They did not that is the only reason there has been no music yet.

EveryBodyLovesKevy · Guru

lulu wrote:

I can't imagine being as famous as Shania and having a paranoid recluse like Mutt as a husband. It speaks volumes of who he is (buying all photo rights to himself is going too far). I think we had a great ride with her music. Whether she comes back or not is her choice. No one can take away the fact that she promoted her music so well that she became a superstar. That was all her doing not Mutts. So he produced the songs so what she did all the work in getting it out there and she won all her fans on her own one fan at a time. There would have been a cd had mutt and she agreed on the music. They did not that is the only reason there has been no music yet.

You think Mutt is the recluse? Shania is the artist and she is the one who is the recluse too.Mutt can be behind the scenes because he is the producer but Shania needs to show she is still alive and be seen at least once a year lol!!!
Oh, I forgot she only makes an appearance when she wants you to buy something from her. The heck with 911,Katrina or live8 concerts where very genuine artists put in their time.Shania had no music to promote so she does not want to make appearanes lol!!

Lulu, facts are facts, Mutt Lange made Shania the big success.
Without Mutt she wouldn't of had one quarter of the success she has or the money.
But if you are being honest to yourself then there is no denying that Mutt Lange created the music that made her a global star.
Shania could work and promote all she wanted to but without Mutt's majic and creation of music then none of this huge success would be.

2ndAmendment · Guru

Shania puts out a product, she promotes it, people who want to buy it do, those that don't don't. That's how this business works.

When she is not being Shania, she like to be quiet as Eilleen and not receive the worshiping status of other celebs. And you really need to quite the charity harassment.

Tanya · Guru

Actually, most of the artists are produced by someone else. Do you think that they are all empty because of that? I see no facts at all because we dont have any failed CD with her own music produced by herself to say that. And shes not reclusive. At least she doesnt buy the photos made by paparazzi and we dont know why she doesnt attend such kinds of events. Anyway, its her own business and we cant tell her what to do. She makes an appearance at least once a year and even if she sells something she doesnt say: Hey, you all have to buy it. Why do you tell her what she has to do? She offers us a choice and we can decide by our own if we want to buy it or not.

EveryBodyLovesKevy · Guru

2ndAmendment wrote:

Shania puts out a product, she promotes it, people who want to buy it do, those that don't don't. That's how this business works.

When she is not being Shania, she like to be quiet as Eilleen and not receive the worshiping status of other celebs. And you really need to quite the charity harassment.

You are running out of ways to defend Shania. We are all fans but we all don't see it the way you do.
You are too emotionally attached to her and you think you know her as a person.
You twist things around because you know she has dissed her fans.
You can defend her all you want but facts are facts, she doesn't care about the fans like most artists do.

Tanya · Guru

EveryBodyLovesKevy wrote:

2ndAmendment wrote:

Shania puts out a product, she promotes it, people who want to buy it do, those that don't don't. That's how this business works.

When she is not being Shania, she like to be quiet as Eilleen and not receive the worshiping status of other celebs. And you really need to quite the charity harassment.

You are running out of ways to defend Shania. We are all fans but we all don't see it the way you do.
You are too emotionally attached to her and you think you know her as a person.
You twist things around because you know she has dissed her fans.
You can defend her all you want but facts are facts, she doesn't care about the fans like most artists do.

I can see no facts in your messages. You are running out of ways to abase Shania. And thats all.

EveryBodyLovesKevy · Guru

Tanya wrote:

EveryBodyLovesKevy wrote:

2ndAmendment wrote:

Shania puts out a product, she promotes it, people who want to buy it do, those that don't don't. That's how this business works.

When she is not being Shania, she like to be quiet as Eilleen and not receive the worshiping status of other celebs. And you really need to quite the charity harassment.

You are running out of ways to defend Shania. We are all fans but we all don't see it the way you do.
You are too emotionally attached to her and you think you know her as a person.
You twist things around because you know she has dissed her fans.
You can defend her all you want but facts are facts, she doesn't care about the fans like most artists do.

I can see no facts in your messages. You are running out of ways to abase Shania. And thats all.

No facts? Oh really, then do your research more.
Here is more facts, Shania is losing more fans everyday and just lost one of her biggest fans yesterday from this site.
Miss Shania couldn't take time in the last 10 years to even attend fan fair once.
Always an excuse with her. I can't wait for her new exuse for 2009.

Tanya · Guru

So why are you so obsessed with that? He left and that was his choice. And what you are doing now is trying to convince us that you are right and we all now should start thinking your way and leave, too. Why? Once you recovered your sight move on with it and dont waste your time on us.

2ndAmendment · Guru

lol, oh kevy boy you make me laugh. It's like grade school all over again.

Tanya, he's a lost cause.

Tommy · Guru

Kevy, this is getting old! We don't care if YOU don't like how Shania conducts herself. That's fine. And I'm sure many other "fans" feel the same way you do. One left the board yesterday. But it seems the rest of the posters on here don't feel the same as you. So just stop with the continuous bashing. Or just stop posting period.

twain2country · Guru

Kevy,�if Tommy had the same viewpoint that you now�have on Shania, this site would have disappeared long ago and the fact it's still in existence surely must tell you something; she's well liked and respected by others, if not by you.

kelc317 · Guru

i think is funny that kevy says he is a fan than posts Shania is lazy and Mutt made her, like she had nothing to do with any of it

EveryBodyLovesKevy · Guru

twain2country wrote:

Kevy,�if Tommy had the same viewpoint that you now�have on Shania, this site would have disappeared long ago and the fact it's still in existence surely must tell you something; she's well liked and respected by others, if not by you.

First of all I have always liked Shania and defended her for many years.
So don't go putting this on how I don't like Shania.I like her and thats why I am being honest.
And I can see she is losing fans everyday and not just this site.
I am talking the vast majority of people in the general public who don't post� here. Her fan club and these sites are only 1 percent of the potential buyers of her products.
Many feel the same way on this site but don't post because they think they will not be loyal.
There is only about 5 people here who don't like my comments because they know it may be true.
And since Tommy has asked me to simmer down for the sake of just a few minority here that I can count on my hand then I will not pursue this anymore but that doesn't mean I will not give my honest opinion from time to time

EveryBodyLovesKevy · Guru

kelc317 wrote:

i think is funny that kevy says he is a fan than posts Shania is lazy and Mutt made her, like she had nothing to do with any of it

I never said Shania had nothing to do with it, of course she had to promote and perform and write some catchy songs. I am saying Mutt was the driving force and motivation to become so huge.
I think Shania has alot of talent that she doesn't use either because of Mutt's slick production. He distorts her voice. But you can't argue that all his acts are huge international artists.

EveryBodyLovesKevy · Guru

Tommy wrote:

Kevy, this is getting old! We don't care if YOU don't like how Shania conducts herself. That's fine. And I'm sure many other "fans" feel the same way you do. One left the board yesterday. But it seems the rest of the posters on here don't feel the same as you. So just stop with the continuous bashing. Or just stop posting period.

I understand Tommy but there is only 4 or 5 people here who are complaining. The other many that are registered don't feel a need to cry or complain.
I just try and say what I feel. I don't care if I don't make friends here.
I am waiting for any good news to post about but there is nothing.
I know it gets really annoying when you see some of my same posts but it gets annoying for me as a Shania fan for the fans to be taken advantage of and made fools of .
I don't think what I do is bashing or I don't see it that way. But maybe it seems like that to some and they are tired of it.
If that is the case then I will not say my true opinion and I guess I am limited on what I can post.
With no positive news in years and no signs of life I will not sugar coat it and pretend Shania is such a great person who cares about her fans.
But you have made your point clear. Nobody is allowed to say anything remotely negative about Shania because 5 or 6 members are upset.

STF1 · Senior Member

EveryBodyLovesKevy wrote:
Truth be told, we don't have a clue how much charity work she has actually done. She puts very little of her time into charities.

She has turned down live8,911 and Katrina charities always has an excuse for not attending those concerts.
Fans here all talk about how she does charity work when in reality 80% of celebs do way more and put in way more time and money.
For Shania's massive wealth and status she should be doing much more.
She once said that she doesn't accept letters because that would leave her no time to make music lol!!!!
She hasn't made music in many,many years and still excepts no letters.
Shania just makes exuses for everything and it is a combination of all her dishonety and attitude that some fans are now turned off.

Firstly I bolded your first point, it makes no sense, you make a statement claiming we dont know, and then you go onto say she does very little... confused

�You also say 80% of celebs do "way more", again if you said you dont know how much Shania does, then you cant say that. Shania does way more than you know, she had hard times and never forgets this, just because she does not�send you statements proving her transactions doesnt mean she doesnt help out. You have NO idea.

Secondly, as you do not work for Shania you are not in a position to say Shania turned these concerts down. In actual fact many artists were not invited and due to tight schedules created by the organisers it became impossible for them all to appear after phoning the organisers. There were simply not enough slots left once the original invited artists had accepted. This is down to the organisers. Don't put Shania in a bad light when you dont know your facts.

-- Edited by STF1 at 22:37, 2008-10-16

EveryBodyLovesKevy · Guru

STF1 wrote:

EveryBodyLovesKevy wrote:
Truth be told, we don't have a clue how much charity work she has actually done. She puts very little of her time into charities.

She has turned down live8,911 and Katrina charities always has an excuse for not attending those concerts.
Fans here all talk about how she does charity work when in reality 80% of celebs do way more and put in way more time and money.
For Shania's massive wealth and status she should be doing much more.
She once said that she doesn't accept letters because that would leave her no time to make music lol!!!!
She hasn't made music in many,many years and still excepts no letters.
Shania just makes exuses for everything and it is a combination of all her dishonety and attitude that some fans are now turned off.

Firstly I bolded your first point, it makes no sense, you make a statement claiming we dont know, and then you go onto say she does very little...�You also say 80% of celebs do "way more", again if you said you dont know how much Shania does, then you cant say that. Shania does way more than you know, she had hard times and never forgets this, just because she does not�send you statements proving her transactions doesnt mean she doesnt help out. You have NO idea.

Secondly, as you do not work for Shania you are not in a position to say Shania turned these concerts down. In actual fact many artists were not invited and due to tight schedules created by the organisers it became impossible for them all to appear after phoning the organisers. There were simply not enough slots left once the original invited artists had accepted. This is down to the organisers. Don't put Shania in a bad light when you dont know your facts.

-- Edited by STF1 at 22:37, 2008-10-16

Are you for real? Are you telling me they couldn't fit in the biggest selling act in the last decade in their schedul lol!!
Shania is one of the biggest stars of alltime and she would be given top slot.
Actually I do know how these things work as my brother in law organizes huge concerts and charities for worldwide artists.
If Shania wanted to attend they would of fit her in because she is considered an elite artist. All she had to do was make a call and that is fact.

STF1 · Senior Member

And which artists performing there were not elite artists? Most if not all of those artists were mid album or mid tour, if your brother does work in the tour industry you will know the logistics of even one performance, the need to rehearse, get the band together, all the sound people and programers, you cant just turn up and perform. For your information many top artists were simply not called, and there is nothing they can do about that. If all the world's top artists performed non-stop the concerts would have taken much longer than a day I can tell you. Ask your brother.

EveryBodyLovesKevy · Guru

STF1 wrote:

And which artists performing there were not elite artists? Most if not all of those artists were mid album or mid tour, if your brother does work in the tour industry you will know the logistics of even one performance, the need to rehearse, get the band together, all the sound people and programers, you cant just turn up and perform. For your information many top artists were simply not called, and there is nothing they can do about that. If all the world's top artists performed non-stop the concerts would have taken much longer than a day I can tell you. Ask your brother.

he is my brother in law and he explained it to me.
Sure there are lots of top artists but very few Shania's,U2's and so on who have had massive impacts worldwide and who can demand any slot.
All Shania had to do was make a call if she wanted to perform and they would of easily made room for her and kicked out some lesser acts.
IN fact Shania was among the first asked to play at live8 in London and Philly but she had no album to promote so she turned it down.
Shania only makes appearances when she has something to sell.
So there is no need to defend Shania on this point. Shania can attend and perform at any big event she wants to but she chooses only to make appearances when she needs to promote something.

EveryBodyLovesKevy · Guru

STF1 wrote:

And which artists performing there were not elite artists? Most if not all of those artists were mid album or mid tour, if your brother does work in the tour industry you will know the logistics of even one performance, the need to rehearse, get the band together, all the sound people and programers, you cant just turn up and perform. For your information many top artists were simply not called, and there is nothing they can do about that. If all the world's top artists performed non-stop the concerts would have taken much longer than a day I can tell you. Ask your brother.

You don't seem to understand how it works. Yes there are many top artists but very few elite artists like Shania who have sold tens of millions of albums and known worldwide. It is well known in the industry that Shania will not attend these events unless she has something to promote.
Elite artists like Shania,U2,Madonna don't have to be invited. They just call if they want to show up and thats what my brother in law said.

STF1 · Senior Member

IN FACT your are wrong. I dont think the live 8 people are likely to "kick out" another artist from a charity concert somehow, I cant see that looking too good on them, get a reality check. Dont tell me Shania was among the first asked because you know nothing, you may think you are right but you are not. There were artists who sold more than Shania not asked to perform for YOUR information.

You obviously didnt understand the point made about the logistics. No artist can perform at an open concert without a band, sound check, programing...its not even remotely possible in this day and age. Its a massive thing to get rolling, Shania was not touring and her band had other commitments, but then you would know that wouldn't you? The fact is there was no invite, you have to be asked by the people running the show and have enough time to prepare. This is something you seem to want to hammer home for some reason, you really seem to be trying to show Shania in a bad light when it comes to charity work and events for some reason? I cant understand that.

EveryBodyLovesKevy · Guru

STF1 wrote:

IN FACT your are wrong. I dont think the live 8 people are likely to "kick out" another artist from a charity concert somehow, I cant see that looking too good on them, get a reality check. Dont tell me Shania was among the first asked because you know nothing, you may think you are right but you are not. There were artists who sold more than Shania not asked to perform for YOUR information.

You obviously didnt understand the point made about the logistics. No artist can perform at an open concert without a band, sound check, programing...its not even remotely possible in this day and age. Its a massive thing to get rolling, Shania was not touring and her band had other commitments, but then you would know that wouldn't you? The fact is there was no invite, you have to be asked by the people running the show and have enough time to prepare. This is something you seem to want to hammer home for some reason, you really seem to be trying to show Shania in a bad light when it comes to charity work and events for some reason? I cant understand that.

Actually Bog gedloff who ran live8 said a few were asked who couldn't come and one name was Shania and one name was the rolling stones.
Unless he was lying then I would say that Shania was indeed asked and couldn't attend for whatever reason.

STF1 · Senior Member

EveryBodyLovesKevy wrote:

Actually Bog gedloff who ran live8 said a few were asked who couldn't come and one name was Shania and one name was the rolling stones.
Unless he was lying then I would say that Shania was indeed asked and couldn't attend for whatever reason.

When you can show me where you saw or heard that, maybe I'll take you seriously. biggrin

�

EveryBodyLovesKevy · Guru

STF1 wrote:

EveryBodyLovesKevy wrote:

Actually Bog gedloff who ran live8 said a few were asked who couldn't come and one name was Shania and one name was the rolling stones.
Unless he was lying then I would say that Shania was indeed asked and couldn't attend for whatever reason.

When you can show me where you saw or heard that, maybe I'll take you seriously. �

He was interveiwed on CBC news 11:00 hour the week before live8

I am just telling you what I heard. Shania was indeed asked and one of the first.
As you know also Mutt produced an album for Bob Geldof's band many years ago and he knows Mutt and Shania.

STF1 · Senior Member

Bob knows everybody.

Lets for one moment say you are right, she couldn't go, according to "Bob". There is your answer.

Rinad_Eileen · Veteran Member

Kevy your attacks are so lame,if you don't wanna be her fan guess what SHE"S NOT FORCING YOU!!! stop posting stupid comments she's a strong talented woman and she's gonna prove that in her next album,if you think Mutt made her lets wait till she releases something, till then Shut the hell up!! and stop trying to make people hate her because we're not gonna!! MUTT DIDN"T MAKE HER A STAR.........HE PRODUCED HER SONGS, GOOOOOT THAT?!!!

-- Edited by Rinad_Eileen at 03:59, 2008-10-21

kelc317 · Guru

kevy has left the site don't know for how long so enjoy it while you can